Performance per watt

[David (PassMark)]

I don't care about getting any benchmarks...

Then maybe you are in the wrong forum.

Your posts are adding nothing constructive and no longer have anything to do with the original topic of CPU performance per watt.

I am closing this topic.

[TruePurple]

Comments like, "it didn't work" are pointless. It would be better if you describe the problem in detail (hardware used, software used, Direct X10 support on your video card, steps to reproduce the problem, log files. etc..).

As I have said, I don't care about getting any benchmarks, I only installed and ran it because you said it would answer my question, and I was reporting the results of doing so.

Not sure what "pages of text" you are refering to.

No point pasting in pages of text when I can just link to it, and you can read it...

We can't tell you what you are looking for.

No, what you want me to see. Surely you know what your talking about? If you don't, you can't ask me to know.

We suggested you try the software because you were asking how the software works.

You ("We"? Am I talking to more then one person using the same login?) suggested I use the software for my answer when I asked you how you gather and arrive at your benchmark numbers automatically without anyone needing to do anything. I didn't ask how the benchmark software worked.

I would suggest you actually try using the software, then it should be more obvious.

What do you want me to see when I "try using the software"? What should I be looking for when using the software?

Heh, must be a second person, since you talk like you just joined the conversation, and at that, didn't read any of the posts leading up to this point.

Regarding IGP (Integrated Graphics Processor, I thought that acronym was common knowledge among those well in the know with putting together PC's) You (or perhaps, "you guys"?) might consider making it so that there is markings next to IGP to make them visually easier to spot among the lists. At that, if you do include IGP, I wonder why my previous searches didn't turn up anything on two different ones I thought were pretty common.(I forget now though)

[David (PassMark)]

Not sure what "pages of text" you are refering to.

Comments like, "it didn't work" are pointless. It would be better if you describe the problem in detail (hardware used, software used, Direct X10 support on your video card, steps to reproduce the problem, log files. etc..). Anything else just makes it look like you are trolling.

what am I suppose to be looking for anyway

We can't tell you what you are looking for. We really don't know. We suggested you try the software because you were asking how the software works.

do you have benchmarks for IGP?

I assume you are referring to integrated graphics. You can find a list video cards for which baselines files are available here,
http://www.videocardbenchmark.net/gpu_list.php
These cover the full range of discrete or integrated cards.

[TruePurple]

Well the lack of answer on my last question wasn't appreciated, but now that is moot, moving on...

I downloaded and installed, no apparent answers. I ran tastes, two or three of which didn't work at all, one of which didn't close down right (do I have to worry about junk files from the test taking up HDD space from the improper close down?) So now I have test results I don't care about, no answers to my questions. I poked around menu options, no answers.

So in short, no answers, what am I suppose to be looking for anyway? (knowing what one is looking for usually helps in the finding)

BTW, do you have benchmarks for IGP? I tried to find a couple IGP and I could not. If you do not have them, why not?

[TruePurple]

Is there a way to read these pages of text without installing the software?

[David (PassMark)]

System requirements for PerformanceTest can be found on the PerformanceTest product page.

Well, I would rather you explain it

No point pasting in pages of text when I can just link to it, and you can read it.....

[TruePurple]

Well, I would rather you explain it, my PC is very old (desperately need to upgrade, which is why I am researching parts for a new one, and why I am posting here.) What is the system requirements of your benchmark? Anyway, is it really that hard to explain with words compared to me having to download, install, use, then uninstall a program?

[David (PassMark)]

That is not much of a explanation...

I would suggest you actually try using the software, then it should be more obvious.

There are also notes about the graphs here.

how do you screen out the influence of the system X video card etc

The video card used does not effect the CPU performance.

[TruePurple]

Benchmark numbers are collected from our PerformanceTest software.

That is not much of a explanation. So people who run this software, have their results automatically or by choice uploaded to your servers? A average of these numbers? But if its different random people and different random computers, how do you screen out the influence of the system X video card etc is plugged in to?

[David (PassMark)]

Benchmark numbers are collected from our PerformanceTest software. Prices are collected from Amazon and Newegg at the moment.

[TruePurple]

Before I can approach this any further, I need to know how you automatically collect performance numbers and prices. (also useful for evaluating the data in the most accurate light)

I think one way to calculate idle time is to divide the TDP by half. I have a power measurement tool which confirms my PC at 95 watts under stress and 60-65 when idle, the extra 20 watts is probably due to the other components.

The old games only use 100% of 1 core of a CPU. So on a 12 thread CPU this is 8% usage overall. Far from full usage.

Not so, a 1996 game I have uses 100% on my Pentium D. I can always set the affinity to one core on task manager but what casual non-geek knows how to do that?

[David (PassMark)]

Our software & scripts collect all the current information. User's don't type in their CPU type and benchmark score, nor do they type in the price. I would hate to think how much inaccurate information we would get we we started asking user's how many watts their GPU & CPU draws. Most people don't even know what's a watt. And even the people who do know their milliwatts from their Joules won't have the equipment to take a measurement.

I don't know of any site that has comprehensive list of real world CPU / GPU power usage benchmarks. (As opposed to the TDP figures).

[TruePurple]

Well, for GPU anyway, which are usually bigger draws of electricity and sources of heat then CPU's, having a average electricity usage would be helpful. Idle draw too would be good.

I am not sure how you get your benchmarks, I think at least some of your GPU benchmarks are off, I will post a thread about that latter when I have the time and energy to compose it. But surely there must be a way to get at least general power draws for GPU's.

Many manufacturers provide that information,(granted, not always completely accurately) there are any number of benchmark type sites that do too. If you count on people submitting information with benchmarking performance and costs, why not do the same with electrical consumption? It won't be totally accurate, but neither is your cost/performance charts either. Its just something helpful to go on.

[David (PassMark)]

The old games only use 100% of 1 core of a CPU. So on a 12 thread CPU this is 8% usage overall. Far from full usage.

New games might use 2 to 4 cores, but not fully in general. But I agree this would be the most common scenario for maxing out a CPU.

Video encoding might hit 60% to 80% usage depending on how fast your hard drive is. But video encoding might make up <1% of overall PC usage.

So I'll stand by my claim that the average PC's CPU is near idle most of the time.